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So, tab-indented source code often shows up with unintented indentation — really ugly. I made pessimistic assumptions in order to demonstrate the robustness of your result, not to criticize it. Most people clicked it even knowing it is a clickbait and that is where you win. Good job. Maybe I was too harsh in using the word clickbait, but the thing is that it was an interesting marketing move to connect salary with some specific polemic topic.
But it is a smart way to promote the survey itself. Because it is assuming your typing habits could influence how much you earn. If you want to know the real reason behind this, you should isolate the money variable and start checking everything else. You tell me why relate money to a typing behaviour is logical. It is not logical. It is marketing. The only logic applied here was that it is an obvious bait for people to click in the article and comment about it. And yes, I was caught by it hehehe. Because many people are just using tabs, and they are not aware of the fact that tabs can be composed from tab characters vs space characters.
I expect groups 1, 2, 4 to answer tabs. Because of not knowledgeable people in group 4, since we can assume not having knowledge about an arbitrary topic statistically decreases the expected wage, tab answer will have a lower average wage. No, tabs are composed of tabs. They are asking what is in your file. As chipoverclock:disqus remarked before me, tabs have to be rendered, spaces do not. This one time I beautifully formatted code in my IDE with tabs, which were the width of 4 spaces in my system. As soon as I uploaded it on gerrit, its ugliness was pointed out to me and I soon realised that because gerrit was rendering tabs as 8 spaces, none of my secondary indentation had any effect anymore.
Do not use tabs to separate pieces of code horizontally to a specific amount. I guess people who have abandoned tabs are the ones who were quicker to realise this than their counterparts in the same experience bracket. Just for the people reading this, he did not just say yes to a random stranger: I am not a troll, I am his girlfriend.
Leading whitespace tabs, internal line whitespace spaces, this keeps your formatting and allows your editor to size the tabs how ever it is configured. And is a complete PITA for anyone else to work on ever. Only do this if you live in a silo, and have no Github account.
Not with an. Every project has its own requirements, this is just one of those. Some projects may use tabs and some projects spaces, being able to manage either is more important. If I had to choose it would be leading tabs, allowing display choice for each developer. If I have a multi-line comment to the right of two lines of code i.
Not to mention the PITA of changing your tab stops on all your different tools. Thou shall not have a multiline comment to the right of lines of code. Or stop all this commenting trend, let the code speak by itself in freedom and glory! If you follow these rules, you will be able to: — use tabs or spaces and nobody would care — change tab size as you like, for better reading without beeaking indentation — convert tabs to spaces and viceversa without problems. Jokes apart, code should be formatted in such a way that it really would not matter even if you edited it with non-fixed size fonts.
As for where they go, comments should go where they make the code most readable. Making readability a second priority to solving technical issues that arise because you want to use tabs instead of spaces is utterly misguided, IMHO. Sincerely I think that someone that uses spaces because are more portable should comment in a portable way too.
And usually the main thing driving them to this mistaken idea is their lack of experience. Well, have fun with that. At least there is no minus button here! I agree with you that there are no fixed rules and I totally agree with you that assembly does require this kind of commenting, and yes, no tabs there. For the remaining Peace and love. Tabs as leading white space only, all other alignment spaces.
Most editors allow you to set how wide a tab is, 2, 4, 8. Any thing else would be multiple lines with single line comments. Note that the tabs are not a fixed width themselves; with a tab stop at column 5, a tab character in column three is replaced by two spaces when rendered in a fixed font, whereas a tab character at column 2 is replaced by three spaces.
And therein lies the issue. Consider two lines: Two tabs, two printing characters, six spaces, two printing characters Three tabs, two printing characters, two spaces, two printing characters. With tab stops set at every fourth column, the second set of printing characters lines up on column With tab stops set at every second column, the second set of printing characters starts at column 13 on the first line and column 11 on the second line.
In your example I see where adjusting tab width could misalign items, but your example is trying to align internal line items across two lines that have different leading whitespace indents. This seems like arbitrary alignment and ignores the natural grouping that the indent suggests, where I believe only aligning items within their indent groups is reasonable to support. You could change the third tab on the second line to spaces, which in itself suggests it is being aligned to the first line, I do this sometimes, however, I can see an issue where tools that modify leading whitespace from tabs to spaces or spaces to tabs might modify those spaces as well if they happen to match the current tab width.
Are you saying that those apparently incompetent programmers who use tabs are all developing under notepad? He says straight out that code does not become better by using spaces nor worse by using tabs. I prefer spaces over tabs. Most editors convert the Tab to spaces, so developers basically indent pressing the Tab, but that just creates e. No one is bashing the spacebar. So if I was asked what do I use — spaces or Tabs I would be confused, and I guess a lot of people did answer spaces because the end result is space indented but they do use tab to do it. You hit enter and it will go to the right level.
I think any language that requires tabs is not part of the discussion. They reward the sellers who could sell a product that is still not finished and then make us do extra work because the product was already sold. This is it. Anyone who knows their tools pretty quickly figures out how to make tab insert two spaces. Anyone who operates in a team pretty quickly figures out that tabs help other people to read their code, and cause fewer issues with source control. Yeah, but that knowledge is generally due to somebody pointing it out and then going looking for it. Yes, I remember when it was first pointed out to me.
The fact I was, and continue to be, in environments where I learn these things probably at least for me correlates to the direction of my career. My experience is exactly the opposite. Tabs are variable when viewed with other editors. Almost every place I have worked in the last 30 years has forbidden their use. I have a variety of rc and config files that I use to customize whatever editor a customer or employer uses. The one place that insisted on tabs failed. OK, you win. My editor indents my code automatically. I only need to use backspace to delete indentation.
And there is the problem with spaces — with tabs you only need to press backspace once in most editors and it just works. Did you check age? Salary may be different because one style was popular at a different point in history, so a different generation adopted it. If you need to further align code like lining up equal signs you would just use spaces here, no tabs or mixture of tabs and spaces. This way the code will always carry both the indentation and further alignment properly between editors, and has the added benefits of user defined tab widths and slightly smaller file sizes.
Code blocks unfortunately lose spaces in Disqus, but in your editor try: if something A long explanation other thing on these lines. Mixing TABs ans spaces. I use TABs, and my comments are either single line or stay below or above. Multiline side comments are totally ugly! I just found out that Mr John Daring Fireball uses tabs and that just makes me seriously happy that I use spaces. I think you misunderstand the question. As far as I can see tabs use one character code wheras 4 spaces use 4.
So a tabbed file will be much smaller than a non tabbed file, so tabs rule. You can have blocks of code be much deeper than that I once had a for loop end up seven indents deep. If you typed code all day, every day, for ten years, you might save a couple of megabytes by using tabs over spaces. Text files are not that large compared to say, image files, or video files. I have been coding for years but I find it easier to press the tab key rather than the space key four times.
Spaces look the same size with a fixed-width font no matter what program or page you view the code on. This exactly. There is no standard tab width, which causes all of your carefully aligned code to look horrible if it is using both tabs and spaces. Tabs were invented to try to trim a few characters for files sent over the phone line. Not relevant anymore. Someone using tabs for indent will never mix tabs and spaces. Just like someone using spaces for indent will never mix tabs and spaces.
All the time. And it is a constant source of frustration for people who want to be able to read the pull request but everything is out of alignment. It happened only in projects where other problems were even bigger, i. In such teams, spaces vs tabs are the least of your concerns. If you manually type each space, if your preferences say tabs for indentation, the spaces will be replaced with tabs in save. The mix only happens if your indent is already wrong.
You got me thinking about a particular situation, however, where tabs are indeed capable to get you to mix tabs and spaces — when your coding style prescribes ASCII art. Say your coding standard says that when you break up long parameter lists you have to align the second and subsequent lines of parameters to after the opening parenthesis of the method declaration. This makes sense. People who do not use spaces predominantly give a clue that they have used various tools to read the code and admit that a tab in code makes the code look bad. How bad and when?
This means that they have used multiple tools in different environments is which is not just years of experience but exposure and adaptability to many tools. Such developers care about the code being written. It can be the perfection about the code that is maintainable, the code that is concise and expressive, the code to use nice design patterns or anything that will help manage well.
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When one goes an extra mile about not just working code but manageable code, it also means that they are better ones than their counterparts with similar experience who just write some code but not love code. The love part here is what makes more money. Not to humiliate but true.
You should have used a better word. I agree that word perfectionist lost its solely positive meaning and now days has more negative tone than positive. It would be better to say that I consistently drive for consistency in the sake of code quality as well its maintenability, readability and supportability. Also I use tabs. I beg to differ.
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I think devs who use spaces are more about the code looking good for everyone, rather than just looking good for the original developer. And I have a lot of experience. I can surely agree, though, that there are developers who use spaces because they care about the code. That merely suggest you need a lot more experience with different people in different environments.
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If what you state was consistently true, it would very likely offset the odd correlation the article is about. Which they may not even notice, just somehow observe the tab guys as worse or more problematic developers in general. Four shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be four.
Five shalt thou not count, neither count thou three, excepting that thou then proceed to four. Companies ought to start paying by the keystroke. You prefer 4 spaces, Bob prefers 2, Joe prefers 8. If only it worked like that. So then you ask your IDE to convert all the spaces to tab or vice versa and now you inject all these changes into the file diff. Of those, I think I hated 8 the most. I will agree that 4 seems to be the sweet spot — enough to be visually distinctive but not so much that the code extends beyond the right margin.
The sample is very, very, very small to the point of having zero meaning. And the only point is the usual one when reading the interpretation of any statistic data: beware. An argument that developers who answered the survey are not representative would be relevant. Is there any reason to believe that the SO userbase is representative? Yup, this can also be generalised to every survey of anything ever. This is a case where SO is probably a relatively solid survey. Higher self-confidence, regardless of merit, usually translates to higher salaries.
Case in point only if the confidence is regardless of merit, which is exactly what I was arguing against. Neither is default, you need an equal amount of confidence to use either. I see individuals on both sides in that discussion having a similar strange feeling of superiority. Indentation is spaces by default on most editors. Blows your whole argument out the water, eh?
And they eschew inserting those semicolons by such gauche methods as actually touching a key , preferring to use butterflies instead. Using tabs to indent and align code is like trying to use a hammer to clean your windshield. Lets say you have a function with a lot of parameters. Simply not acceptable.
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Tabs clearly suck at the latter. They are, however, better than spaces at indentation. Indentation is what they are the character for, with no other purpose. But let me also say that consistency in style is far more important than which style is actually used. It just so happens quite a few people believe this is a convenient way to indent code. Ideally your functions should not have that many arguments that this becomes necessary. Why is that a problem? If the team shares the same coding conventions, the code will be easier to read and maintain by the team as a whole.
It also means that code that looks properly aligned by someone who uses two-space tabs may look like crap for the guy who uses 8-space tabs or visa versa. In the real world, people who use tabs for indenting will also sometimes use tabs for alignment. Emphasis mine. THIS, right there, is the problem in a nutshell. In theory , tabs are better than spaces because everyone can set them to their preferred level of indentation, and everyone knows how to use them correctly tabs ONLY for indentation, then spaces for any alignment you want to do after the indentation level.
In practice , tabs are worse than spaces because everyone can set them to their preferred level of indentation, and not everyone who knows how to use them correctly will actually use them correctly, alas. You rename foo and all your nice formatting goes out the window.
If you absolutely have to align, do this:. If you are using decent tools, the rename refactoring will automatically realign your parameters. I just checked with IntelliJ, though, and it indeed does. So you are right, decent tools and proper configuration for the win! Unfortunately for tab-lovers like myself, IntelliJ supports your original argument. Instead it uses as many tabs as possible so things get unaligned for a different tab length. I have been using those doggone tabs for 10 years!!
Bye, bye tabs. Spaces, here I come!!! This is sort of the answer I wanted to find on here. Also, StackOverflow itself skews results because it has a certain demographic. Yeah, so Joe maps his tabs to spaces, and sets his IDE tab width to 4 spaces. He changes this in his IDE. If only they knew how to use tabs properly, this would never have happened! Skip to content. Do you use tabs or spaces for code indentation? Spaces make more money than tabs There were 28, survey respondents who provided an answer to tabs versus spaces and who considered themselves a professional developer as opposed to a student or former programmer.
To answer this, I fit a linear regression, predicting salary based on the following factors. Author David Robinson. Author Archives Website Twitter Github. Tags Announcements Insights Survey. Related Articles. We are entering a new era in artificial intelligence, one where exciting breakthroughs seem to arrive every week. Continue reading. As part of our ongoing efforts to make Stack Overflow more welcoming and inclusive, Almost 90, developers from around Comments Keith Hultman says:.
June 15, at am. Pasquale says:. And also: experience with source control and collaboration. Leonid Boytsov says:. July 11, at pm. July 28, at pm. Draco18s says:. Anthony Plant says:. Andy Borgmann says:. March 6, at am. This was my initial though as well. Joe says:. August 19, at pm. Did anyone check the company pay scale v documented coding styles? Charles Robertson says:. September 20, at pm. Sullivan says:. December 4, at pm. December 17, at am. Also, who uses 3 spaces???
Usually indentation is either 2 or 4 spaces. Mark Evaul says:. May 16, at am. Eric Hydrick says:. Paurian says:. September 5, at pm. Vidhyashankar Madheswaraswamy says:. This is a very poor deduction. Nick Odaemus says:. Spaces master race! Marius Gedminas says:. We can do without the Nazi references thank you,. Chris Charabaruk says:. CeeBee says:. June 15, at pm. Which was a reference to.
Erk says:. March 14, at pm. Know your history! Chris says:. Izkata says:. The very first chart is about years of experience. Years of experience; Not age. Victor Lewis says:. Check the x axis. Nick G says:. Martin Bean says:. Lundin says:. Jit says:. Mike says:. Eric S. Bullington says:. Ah okay thanks. I prefer spaces, and will generally swap any tabs I find over to spaces. June 16, at am. Peter says:.
January 23, at pm. To auto format code is evil if you work with version control systems. Bryan Oakley says:. Jimmy Jim says:. June 17, at am. Kyle Strand says:. June 16, at pm.
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Heck, I believe Linus mandates tabs in the Linux kernel. I was expecting that people who use both make much less money…. Craig says:. March 6, at pm. Pluckerpluck says:. Just pointing out that the translation is not quite transparent. There are still differences. Sik says:. Jason Sebring says:. Brian Christensen says:.
Tabs are for word processors not IDEs. GrandOpener says:. Thomas Peeters says:. Perhaps related to the differences in income taxation? Kratoklastes says:. No, Americans are more likely to lie about how much they earn. Cela explique tout. Surveys are notorious for having people answer what they think should be the right answer.
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Brian says:. Americans are more likely to lie.. Spacer says:. Marlon Stevenson says:. Daniel Samuels says:. Juank says:. Sven Slootweg says:. For instance if I place a line break in a comma delimited list, the editor can align the list vertically with the resolution of a single whitespace, not 2, 4 or 8 2 — The code looks the same no matter what the local tab size setting is.
Maybe people who use spaces are not developed enough to understand humor. Perhaps programmers using spaces lie more about their salary. Mario Rivera says:. Max Savin says:. Perhaps programmers who use spaces also participate in satanic rituals. Boris Lazarov says:. Rolnard says:. Michael Beskin says:. David Lawrence says:. Oh, interesting — it even understands TISA. Try a sentiment analysis on your post history. You will find it enlightening. June 18, at am. June 20, at pm. Bryan says:. You may have just converted me. The attitude of plenty is rampant these days.
Instagram Photos and Videos says:. June 17, at pm. Joey Robert says:. Anthony Clink says:. That is exactly what I suspect. Petar Donchev says:. The Guy with The Hat says:. I find this to be both hilarious and insightful. Thanks for sharing. Benjamin H says:. Perhaps not eight, but unless N is equal to one, my point still stands. Stilgar says:. N is equal to one. Ya, misunderstood! Thomas says:. Yeah I misunderstood. Giorgio Polvara says:. Tyler Hibbard says:. Mike Barlow says:. Victoria says:. How are those using linebreaks :?
Ryan Thompson says:. With 12, respondents, the error bars are likely too small to be visible on this scale. Edwin Ramirez says:. Inquisitor says:. I think everyone does exactly that. Hi, professional programmer here. Who presses space repeatedly. Excludes booking fee. UK: Savings on Advance fares vs cheapest non-Advance fares. Selected routes only.
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